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Airfoil Coordinate Ordering: Upper Surface, Lower Surface and Trailing-Edge Conventions
HENDOI · 26 October 2026
Selig order walks in from the trailing edge along the upper surface and back along the lower. Lednicer lists each surface from the leading edge. A panel code needs one winding, and it needs a trailing edge that is either one point or an honest gap.
Two public conventions
| Name | Order |
|---|---|
| Selig | One list. Trailing edge, forward along the upper surface to the leading edge, then aft along the lower surface to the trailing edge. The leading edge is the point nearest the nose, not automatically the first point. |
| Lednicer | Two lists, each from leading edge to trailing edge, upper then lower, usually with a header that gives the two counts. The leading edge is the start of both lists and must be the same point. |
Neither convention is a coordinate system. Both still require you to know whether x runs nose to tail and which side is up. A file can be in perfect Selig order and upside down, and the lift will come out negative at positive camber. Check the sign of the camber after you read the file, not only the header.
Trailing edge and winding
Close the section in one of two ways. Repeat a single trailing-edge point, sharp within the tolerance you declare. Or keep two trailing-edge points with a gap equal to the real trailing-edge thickness, and close that gap with one short face. Do not do both: a duplicated point plus a gap is how a zero-length panel or a small loop appears. Panel methods want a consistent winding so the outward normal is the outward normal. If you reverse only the lower surface during a conversion, the normals flip on that side and a source panel method will happily solve the wrong body.
Convert explicitly. Selig to Lednicer is a split at the leading-edge index and a reversal of the upper run. Lednicer to Selig is the reverse concatenation. Write the source order and the stored order in the file history. “Standard DAT” is not a specification. The coordinate-export lesson is the wider map. Ordering is the part that decides whether the next tool traces a section or a bow tie.
Where this sits in the series
In simple words: what this page is for
Selig order walks in from the trailing edge along the upper surface and back along the lower. Lednicer lists each surface from the leading edge. A panel code needs one winding, and it needs a trailing edge that is either one point or an honest gap.
This lesson exists because section decisions fail when geometry, method labels and selection reasons are scattered. Airfoil Coordinate Ordering: Upper Surface, Lower Surface and Trailing-Edge Conventions helps you keep a clean trail from shape to polar to choice.
Why the topic matters
Engineers lose time when a title sounds clear but the page only sketches the idea. This article expands Airfoil Coordinate Ordering: Upper Surface, Lower Surface and Trailing-Edge Conventions so you can answer three questions without jargon: what is the idea, when do you use it, and how do you check it in a HENDOI product.
Read the sections above for the core definitions. Use the steps below to move from reading into a real project trail you can share with a teammate.
How to apply this in HENDOI
In practice: create a HENDOI account or log in, open HENFOIL, bring a section in (create, import DAT, or digitize), pass the geometry gate, climb the analysis ladder only as far as the decision needs, then compare and archive. Every calculated number should keep its method label.
When the section choice is ready for the aircraft, continue in HENSYNTH for mission, compliance and trades. Same account. Same plans.
What this page will not claim: a teaching polar or geometry note is not a flight-Re certificate. HENFOIL labels methods so you know what you bought. Tunnel data and professional judgement still sit outside any single software run.
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